[UPHPU] PHP Frameworks

[Jim Anderson]

in response to "Id like to know what PHP frameworks if any you use. "


Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
>
> I think they are dumb, generally because they are unnecessary bloat.
i completely agree with wade on this. i have never seen the added 
benefits as being anything more than bloat. additionally, i have found 
that, if you use a framework as the starting point, you don't get to 
know the language as well.

there is also the [aesthetic] issue of code *format* control. i found 
that if an auto-generator creates modules, that you need to later mod, i 
don't like the formatting that it used and i have to go through the 
entire thing and reformat it so that it matches the rest of the code 
base. [that comment goes more towards a discussion the list had about 
*clean* code and readability of multiple deveolpers.]

> I like my stuff to be lean and mean and completely custom.
again, i feel exactly the same way. streamlining is always at the fore 
of my thoughts and it seems to me like a framework doesn't concern its 
self with that as much, in the name of robustness.


>  If a framework comes with a few things like a DB-connect module, a 
> form engine, a validator, an authentication module… has a templating 
> engine (separates the display from the business logic)… and a few 
> other things like that… and that is all it does… then it could be 
> helpful in jumpstarting you on a project, and not reinventing the 
> wheel each time...

but, if you have already made these modules once, then you already have 
that library to cull from, so re-invention [of the wheel] isn't even a 
toic of conversation. it's done.


-thinbegin