[UPHPU] Re: [UPHPU-jobs] 1-2 Senior Web Developer(s) - $45K - $65K
darrinkeller at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 27 23:39:00 MDT 2007
What is a fair salary for someone with 5 years experience at a small company and no management experience?
> From: peregrine at openbrainstem.net> To: uphpu at uphpu.org> Subject: Re: [UPHPU] Re: [UPHPU-jobs] 1-2 Senior Web Developer(s) - $45K - $65K> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:18:59 -0600> > On Friday 27 July 2007 05:14pm, Ken Snyder wrote:> > Ash wrote:> > > ...> > >> > >> That's our experience as well. We've been trying to hire a developer> > >> since the beginning of the year with no luck. We used a headhunter> > >> service for a while who told us "Unemployment in the tech sector in> > >> Utah County is 0.2%". I don't know if that stat is accurate, but> > >> every one of the candidates they supplied for interview already had> > >> jobs--most weren't even looking for jobs--and we certainly haven't> > >> had a lot of answers to our posts.> > >>> > >> - Ken> > >> > > What are you looking for developer wise, and what are you paying?> > >> > > Ashley> >> > Yah, that could be a problem. We are hiring for "PHP Coder" (or some> > more flowery version of that title) with target experience of 1-2 years> > and offering $40k - 55k DOE. That seems pretty reasonable for Utah> > County, no? It seems definitely not high enough for the current> > shortage, but not unreasonable.> >> > I think one thing that is difficult about setting PHP salary is that> > certifications and specific schoolwork is the standard for .NET and Java> > but not so much in PHP. In my mind about 2-3 years business experience> > in PHP would merit "programmer starting pay" of around $50k. Likewise,> > a developer certified in a language having no business experience would> > maybe start at $50k. Am I way off base?> > Given the way that the cost of living (and even in Utah County, look at > housing costs) has gone up in the past year alone, $50k isn't a salary most > could own a home on.> > Inflation sucks, but we've seen a significant amount of it in the past 2 years > in Utah. What you could get someone for 2 years ago isn't enough for today, > and certainly not for next year (I would guess).> > Also, as you point out yourself, the labor market is tight. That means you > have to bring the salaries up a bit in order to compete in a labor shortage. > I find it interresting to read how you phrased it:> > "It seems definitely not high enough for the current shortage, but not > unreasonable."> > It sure sounds like you're trying to justify the short-changing on the hiring > budget.> > My advice is this ... you get what you pay for. If you want a > programmer/developer/software engineer (or whatever other fuzzy title du > jour) with skills that actually get things done and get them done right, you > need to put out a salary range that is high enough to attract those kinds of > coders to even submit a resume to begin with. if your published salary range > is too low to begin with, you won't get any decent candidates.> > You get what you pay for. At the salary range you're talking about, I could > not support my small family and I would not even attempt to apply.> > I hope this is helpful feedback. And, please, don't take any of it > personally. This is a tough topic to discuss, but I wouldn't be doing you or > anyone else any favors by sugar-coating anything.> -- > Lamont Peterson <peregrine at OpenBrainstem.net>> Founder [ http://blog.OpenBrainstem.net/peregrine/ ]> GPG Key fingerprint: 0E35 93C5 4249 49F0 EC7B 4DDD BE46 4732 6460 CCB5> ___ ____ _ _> / _ \ _ __ ___ _ __ | __ ) _ __ __ _(_)_ __ ___| |_ ___ _ __ ___> | | | | '_ \ / _ \ '_ \| _ \| '__/ _` | | '_ \/ __| __/ _ \ '_ ` _ \> | |_| | |_) | __/ | | | |_) | | | (_| | | | | \__ \ || __/ | | | | |> \___/| .__/ \___|_| |_|____/|_| \__,_|_|_| |_|___/\__\___|_| |_| |_|> |_| Intelligent Open Source Software Engineering> [ http://www.OpenBrainstem.net/ ]
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