[UPHPU] Re: [UPHPU-jobs] 1-2 Senior Web Developer(s) - $45K - $65K

[John David Anderson]

What kind of clients/employers are you people working for?

I am well paid by a great open-source friendly company. I feel  
valued, and we look for clients that share that same respect. I'd  
like to say that its been incredibly hard to find a great place to  
work and great people to work with, but it hasn't. This is my first  
job out of school, and though we've had some slow times, we've been  
consistently hiring and growing.

I think a lot of the value you will get as a PHP programmer comes  
from educating (or rejecting) clients/employers who don't understand  
your value.

They'll pay their bottom-dollar for a low-quality solution and need  
your expertise later on anyway. :)

-- John

On Jul 27, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Jason Jones wrote:

>>
>> 1) People are thinking that open source technology requires less
>> skill, and therefore is cheaper in salaries as well.
>
>
> I would add to that, and maybe specify a bit, that everyone has a  
> nephew or
> grandson or sister who is a "web wizard", and can "slap up a  
> website for
> free" using PHP.  I think the learning curve for PHP also adds to its
> inferred lack of value.  "People who know how to use PHP to build a  
> website"
> come a dime a dozen, unfortunately.  "Skilled web developers who  
> use PHP"
> are a bit rarer.  I've come to this realization due to my work  
> experience.
> Suffice it to say that companies are willing to pay for skilled web
> developers.
>
> 2) Some people still believe that we are in a post .net bubble, and
>> that Indian outsourcing is driving down wages. I still see that on  
>> TV.
>> Seldom do I see coverage on a programmer shortage in the US.
>
>
> Right now, seems that "we're hiring" is posted outside every business
> doorway in Utah valley.  The last place I worked started me above  
> 60K / yr
> and was willing to give me a 30% raise to keep me there, yet that  
> was still
> lacking compared to other offers I was getting...  So... a shortage  
> might
> not be too far off base. (I might have misconstrued your point  
> entirely,
> Cole, and if that's the case - I apologize.)
>
> 3) Let's face it, in general, Utah companies are cheap. That's right,
>> I said it! They want quality, but they don't want to pay for it.
>
>
> Maybe it all depends on where you look, or something.  I guess I'm  
> just
> extraordinarily blessed and fortunate to have the employers I've  
> had.  4
> jobs ago was paying me $30K/yr, and has only increased.  All have  
> been in
> Utah Valley.  I'm not entirely sure why this has been the case, but  
> I'm sure
> it's happened to more people than just me.
>
> --Jason
>
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