[UPHPU] Cole reports on the Delphi for PHP presentation

[cole at colejoplin.com]

Quoting jtaber <jtaber at johntaber.net>:

Hi John!

> Not surprised - I always loved the Borland 2-way interface.  a) does it
> generate "pure" php /css/javascript code or is polluted with .net /
> active x stuff ?

It's pure. The dumb screenshots make it look like a .Net product a  
bit, but the code and process is not. There are no MS footprints. The  
2-way IDE works perfectly.

> b) the problem we always had with Borland was not the
> interface but the bugginess and lack of quick bug fixes (wait for the
> next version.....).

You never know about this one, regardless of the vendor, I'm afraid.

> And of course not for Mac or Linux is a real show
> stopper for many of us.  Will the new Dreamweaver be available for the
> Mac ?  (but I've read from many that say they would never use
> Dreamweaver generated code, but wonder why?)

DW CS3 is definitely available for the Mac. I think the problem some  
people have  with DW code, is that it is in PHP4 style. I tend to use  
DW as a starting point, but I throw in so many extra PHP validations,  
multi-state checks, session vars, and conditionals, that it hardly  
looks like the original DW-generated. I've also had it overwrite some  
of my code when I'm seriously messing with forms, which is bad. That  
could also be why.

Because Delphi is PHP5 style, everything is based on objects. And if  
you have used Delphi, you know it never overwrites your stuff, which  
is always in some very safe event function.

> Now a cross-platform RAD for Rails....

 From a legal standpoint they cannot make any "forward-looking  
statements". That's officially. Unofficially, I specifically saw the  
words "ruby" and "rails" in some scattered powerpoint slides for  
Delphi. It's NOT official, but I definitely saw some smoke and some  
winking. Anders, after explaining the statement lawyer nonsense, did  
say with a big smile, "we are very excited about ruby right now". I'll  
let you interpret it. I think it's a question of "when" not "if" RAD  
for Rails will happen, and by whom. Let's not get him in trouble by  
posting a rumour on slashdot, please! I'd say being hopeful and  
optimistic is warranted.

;)

-- Cole