[UPHPU] Cole reports on the Delphi for PHP presentation

[jtaber]

Not surprised - I always loved the Borland 2-way interface.  a) does it 
generate "pure" php /css/javascript code or is polluted with .net / 
active x stuff ?  b) the problem we always had with Borland was not the 
interface but the bugginess and lack of quick bug fixes (wait for the 
next version.....).  And of course not for Mac or Linux is a real show 
stopper for many of us.  Will the new Dreamweaver be available for the 
Mac ?  (but I've read from many that say they would never use 
Dreamweaver generated code, but wonder why?) .

Now a cross-platform RAD for Rails....

john

cole at colejoplin.com wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> That would be everyone, as in no one from this group, except me, 
> bothered to show up at the Borland demo for Delphi for PHP (and other 
> new CodeGear-branded products) at the U of U campus. At first, I was a 
> little disappointed. About 20 people, Delphi geeks, little web 
> experience outside .Net stuff (yuck). But at the end, they had a 
> drawing for a free copy of the product, and I won! So in retrospect, 
> I'm glad everyone had other things to do, which increased my chances. 
> Thank you. ;)
>
> I know I'm set to do dynamic PHP to PDF in June. Would there be any 
> interest in a product demo? I don't mind doing a separate presentation 
> at another time. Feedback? I have a 10% discount coupon for anyone 
> that expires April 25. Just offering if someone wants it.
>
> Short version:
> Delphi for PHP is a very polished PHP5/AJAX RAD/WYSIWYG tool. It's a 
> very slick form generator and PHP/SQL builder. It creates absolute 
> positioned elements inside forms by default (which I would immediately 
> delete and use the external stylesheet compnent, which is easy 
> enough). There are over 50 AJAX components a click away. It easily 
> connects to every major DB you can imagine (including PostgresSQL). 
> The breakpoint debugging and watches are very nice. If you're looking 
> for a PHP framework, and you also want to learn AJAX, this is a 
> super-quick way to go, a serious option.
>
> Longer version:
> I love the product, I love the IDE. It's similar to Dreamweaver, but 
> the object properties and events are totally crazy (in a very good 
> way). Ironically, I can see it's possible for a non-programmer to 
> write almost no actual code with this thing. It generated PHP5 code, 
> uses the now open source PHP VCL library, and fully integrates AJAX. 
> It can write a vast majority of your code for you, so you can 
> concentrate on the PHP details.
>
> I wouldn't say that this tool is made for page design, but is similar 
> in scope to AJAX. So, I don't see me giving up my Dreamweaver for 
> layout. But the speed that it can build forms, build outrageous menus, 
> and connect to databases, is really impressive. I should get my boxed 
> copy in a week or so. They have a trial that lasts for 14 days now.
>
> I've played with different php frameworks (I kinda like CakePHP) and 
> AJAX. But I have to say that there's a new sheriff in town, guys. Will 
> enough people want to fork out $299? I don't know. It only installs on 
> Windows, so our Linux zealot bretheren will simply not go there.
>
> I'll definitely kick the tires, but I have something else in the 
> wings. The new Dreamweaver CS3 is supposed to also integrate AJAX, 
> with more PHP capability. I wonder if they will do PHP5 instead of the 
> current PHP4 code, or let us choose. Until I use both, side-by-side... 
> I'm just really happy that my choices in life, as a php programmer, 
> are getting much better right now.
>
> -- Cole
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