[UPHPU] notes from austin php users group

[John David Anderson]

On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:54 PM, jtaber wrote:

> John David Anderson wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2006, at 4:07 PM, jtaber wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear that the popularity and usage of a framework with the  
>>> Rails  community is not transferring that well to the PHP community.
>>
>> Depends on what circles you're talking about. I think Rails is a  
>> bad comparator, as Rails is just about the *only* thing people are  
>> doing with Ruby.
>
> Actually someone pointed out that Ruby has been around 10 yrs and  
> no one heard of it until Rails :)   Thanks, interesting Craigslist  
> posting.  Still, when you do show of hands anywhere, it seems not  
> many PHPers are using one of the available frameworks.

Which, in my opinion, contributes to the script kiddie label PHP  
programmers usually end up with. Java developers use frameworks,  
Python developers use frameworks, Ruby programmers use frameworks.

PHP developers use phpBB and osCommerce. :(

> Most of the frameworks have only been out around a year so I  
> suspect we need a big success story that people latch onto.

I suppose you'll get the greatest number of conversions when  
something like that goes down, but (like Rails) those sorts of things  
are usually over hyped. I'll jump on the bandwagon early and when  
everyone else is there, I can say I started it or that I was there  
before it was "cool." ;o)

-- John