[UPHPU] Swift: a web browser for Windows

[Alvaro Carrasco]

Smith, Jeff wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Duncan [mailto:jonathan at nacnud.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:38 AM
> To: Smith, Jeff
> Cc: jtaber; Richard K Miller; uphpu at uphpu.org
> Subject: RE: [UPHPU] Swift: a web browser for Windows
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Smith, Jeff wrote:
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>> yeah but 90% of developers I know (including yourself) are already 
>> using a Mac.  And the next 9.9% of us are using Ubuntu.  What we 
>> really need is a browser kit that runs on Mac, *nix that allows us to 
>> test the broken W3C standards in IE.
>>
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>> I want to say I must by the only person on the list that uses Windows 
>> as my primary platform.  Which bring me to my next question.  What 
>> exactly is broken in IE besides the fact Microsoft makes it.  I know 
>> they had problems with the 6.x series and even more in the 5.x series 
>> but I am running 7 beta 3 right now and IMHO it is an awesome browser.
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>> I know I will probably get lynched because I like a Microsoft product 
>> but I want to know what is broken?
>>
>> I know of one site that will not load if you are using IE, the sad 
>> thing is it is an open source advocacy site.  Kind of hard to convert 
>> people when their first impression of your site an error message.  
>> Anyway back to my question. Thanks and please don't flame me because I
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>> don't blindly follow the open source path.  That being said I am not 
>> against open source, I am an equal opportunity geek.
>>
>> Jeff
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> GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES!!!
>
> Just kidding.  I have seen IE7 used and I agree that it is a major
> improvement over their previous versions.
>
> The reason that IEv<7 are evil (aside from being made by Microsloth) is
> that the browser is not standards compliant.  This causes many problems
> including making creating web pages much more time consuming.  IE 7
> appears to be much more compliant.
>
> Jonathan
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> Hmm do you have any examples.  That is what I am looking for.  It is my
> understand that both IE and Firefox are not 100% compliant.    Then
> again I guess the question is what is compliant?  HTML, XHTML, CSS 2 or
> 3.  Sorry, but the saying "It's not standards compliant" drives me
> crazy.  I really like to know the how and the why.  How is IE 6 broken
> and why did Microsoft decide to do it that way.
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first page on google when search for: ie bugs
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

The state of IE7 is irrelevant at this point since none of us web 
developers can (or should) develop for it.
It is true though, that most of the compliance bugs get fixed when 
switching from 'quirks mode' to 'standards compliance mode' and a lot of 
people just haven't realized that.

Alvaro