[UPHPU] OOP continued

Jeffrey Moss jeff at opendbms.com
Wed Jun 29 12:35:57 MDT 2005

Re 1: I call you by your real name because that's how you address yourself 
your sig. If you prefer I will call you dataw0lf.

Re 2: "Perhaps I should say OOP programmers don't understand functional
programming often ?"

I made a case for *always* using OO, which I dont think anybody else has
said, I think your design decisions are probably centered on which database
you will use or whatever, if OO were more widely used the advantages would
be plain as day. I didn't misunderstand you, I am argueing against you. No
need to get defensive.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dataw0lf" <digitalsuicide at gmail.com>
To: "Jeffrey Moss" <jeff at opendbms.com>
Cc: <uphpu at uphpu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [UPHPU] OOP continued

> Jeffrey Moss wrote:
>> That's a pretty bold statement you make about OOP programmers. I think
>> what you're missing here Josh is that once you start putting your
>> functions into libraries and using global variables and some sort of
>> namespace identifier, ie: WebApp_version instead of WebApp::version, you
>> might as well be using classes.
> 1) I'm unsure why you're addressing me by my first name.  Do I know you?
> If you did, you might know that my favorite language is heavily object
> orientated.
> 2) What bold statement (did a quote from me magically disappear)?  I
> said that in many cases, OOP programmers tend to 'jump the gun' when it
> comes to using OOP.  I think that there are certainly areas that OOP is
> great at;  I'm just saying that applying OOP to any and all code is
> ridiculous, just as applying a procedural/functional methodology to any
> and all code is ridiculous.  Reread my statements.  'best tool for the
> job' and so forth.
> I don't constrain myself to any design paradigm (although I agree that
> unit testing is still underused, despite the recent popularity of late),
> I use what's best.  I just think that there's a vast number of OOP guys
> out there (many straight from college, where their profs poisoned their
> brain with Java ;) ) who either don't know, or don't care, what choice
> they're making when they decide to use OOP.  It's just _all_ they know.
> -- 
> Joshua Simpson -- dataw0lf.org
> Lead Network Administrator/Engineer Aero-Graphics Inc.
> jsimpson at aero-graphics.com 

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