[UPHPU] Java and Frameworks (was: MVC)

Ray Hunter bigdog at venticon.com
Tue Nov 16 00:46:28 MST 2004

On Tue, 2004-11-16 at 00:36, Daniel C. wrote:
> Having a large number of users doesn't make the program any more
> complex.  Take a look at grep.  Likewise, a large number of developers
> doesn't... well... Brooks' Law :p  As for finding good programmers...
> take the number of programmers in the job market, divide by the number
> of *good* programmers, and you have a very small percentage.  (I think
> it works that way... I may have meant to divide the good by the total.
>  Whatever.)  But yeah.  Every language has a niche it was designed
> for.  Java seems to have been designed for the
> huge-numbers-of-mediocre-developers niche, which incidentally is
> fairly large.  What are we arguing about again?  Are we even arguing
> at all?

No arguing...just pointing out that there are bad programmers in all
languages and php is no exception to the rule. I think that you find
more "mediocre" programmers in languages that allow for relaxed


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