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	<title>Comments on: Looking for good intro programming training and theory</title>
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	<description>PHP application development and support</description>
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		<title>By: wade</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20338</link>
		<dc:creator>wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of books, I would like to remind everyone that UPHPU has a &lt;a href=&quot;/books/library/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;library&lt;/a&gt; of books that you can check out for free. We also have relationships with most major publishers and can usually get a copy of any book that interests you in exchange for a short &lt;a href=&quot;/category/reviews/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of books, I would like to remind everyone that UPHPU has a <a href="/books/library/" rel="nofollow">library</a> of books that you can check out for free. We also have relationships with most major publishers and can usually get a copy of any book that interests you in exchange for a short <a href="/category/reviews/" rel="nofollow">review</a></p>
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		<title>By: tworkman</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20337</link>
		<dc:creator>tworkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only books I have on PHP are from WROX publishing and they are PHP4 for gaining a basic understanding of PHP, MYSQL, some apache configuration some basic setup. Of course PHP4 has been replaced by PHP5 and PHP5 is now more object oriented (still not 100% in mho). But the PHP5 book by rocks is the PHP5 for professionals still a good beginners book to get. There are some other cookbook types written by other companies that I have browsed. To save some money I would go to borders and see what they have along with your local library find the ones you want then purchase used ones off of amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only books I have on PHP are from WROX publishing and they are PHP4 for gaining a basic understanding of PHP, MYSQL, some apache configuration some basic setup. Of course PHP4 has been replaced by PHP5 and PHP5 is now more object oriented (still not 100% in mho). But the PHP5 book by rocks is the PHP5 for professionals still a good beginners book to get. There are some other cookbook types written by other companies that I have browsed. To save some money I would go to borders and see what they have along with your local library find the ones you want then purchase used ones off of amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: algiepowers</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20336</link>
		<dc:creator>algiepowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice, guys! Also, trading design for training sounds like a awesome idea. Anybody interested, just let me know.

So, I should start with a good book, then go from there, you say? Any specific book you can suggest would be appreciated. Heck, I&#039;ll just go hang out at Barnes and Noble and see what&#039;s out there. But, if you DO have a specific title that you know is decent, that would give me something to start with.

Here&#039;s where I&#039;m at. It&#039;s not like I want to start programming from scratch, but like twice now I&#039;ve had clients that needed help with some PHP shopping cart they got for free. I had no clue. Plus, a lot of the contract work for interface designers requires some knowledge of PHP.

So, when is everybody going to lunch again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice, guys! Also, trading design for training sounds like a awesome idea. Anybody interested, just let me know.</p>
<p>So, I should start with a good book, then go from there, you say? Any specific book you can suggest would be appreciated. Heck, I&#8217;ll just go hang out at Barnes and Noble and see what&#8217;s out there. But, if you DO have a specific title that you know is decent, that would give me something to start with.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where I&#8217;m at. It&#8217;s not like I want to start programming from scratch, but like twice now I&#8217;ve had clients that needed help with some PHP shopping cart they got for free. I had no clue. Plus, a lot of the contract work for interface designers requires some knowledge of PHP.</p>
<p>So, when is everybody going to lunch again?</p>
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		<title>By: thebigdog</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20335</link>
		<dc:creator>thebigdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would suggest getting some books first before spending the money on training classes, unless your work can fit the bill.  I find that many classes are just going to follow what is popular in the latest books. Save some time and start with a great book first is mho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would suggest getting some books first before spending the money on training classes, unless your work can fit the bill.  I find that many classes are just going to follow what is popular in the latest books. Save some time and start with a great book first is mho.</p>
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		<title>By: tworkman</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20334</link>
		<dc:creator>tworkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure of what type of theory Wade suggested or what type of information you are looking for to start programming PHP. The recommendations I would make is to get a cheap book or go to zend.com and go through their tutorials as they are a good resource for new programmers. Another good avenue is to find someone who knows PHP well (most likely a lot of members here do) and see if you can trade some design work for PHP training, this works well as I am a horrible designer but a great coder. If you are looking for more certification type stuff you can checkout brainbench.com or even look at zend.com for their certification classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure of what type of theory Wade suggested or what type of information you are looking for to start programming PHP. The recommendations I would make is to get a cheap book or go to zend.com and go through their tutorials as they are a good resource for new programmers. Another good avenue is to find someone who knows PHP well (most likely a lot of members here do) and see if you can trade some design work for PHP training, this works well as I am a horrible designer but a great coder. If you are looking for more certification type stuff you can checkout brainbench.com or even look at zend.com for their certification classes.</p>
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		<title>By: algiepowers</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20333</link>
		<dc:creator>algiepowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Googled &quot;PHP training Salt Lake City&quot; and ended up at this post. Per your suggestions, I looked into MindCenter and New Horizons, but there&#039;s nothing scheduled in the immediate future. I even tried to check out a class at SLCC that seemed perfect (&quot;Students learn to create E-Commerce solutions and Internet applications using XHTML, JavaScript, PHP, and MYSQL. Students will also be introduced to CGI and Java Applets.&quot;) but it was cancelled due to lack of students. 

My situation may be similar to vuel&#039;s. I&#039;m proficient in HTML, can stumble around CSS, but feel lost when it comes to PHP. I&#039;m a web designer and everytime I turn around these days I&#039;m running to PHP . I really want to learn this stuff. 

I found an online tutorial site: http://apex.vtc.com/php.php For $30 a month you can go through as many tutorials as you can handle. Compared to these 2K training courses I was reading about, this seems too good to be true. But, they also sell CD versions of all their &quot;classes&quot; so maybe that&#039;s where they make their money.

So, my question is: What do you think of the idea of online training to learn PHP? Is it a matter of discipline, which makes sitting through a 5-day course more practical in the long run? 

I like this place. You should all go to lunch again. I&#039;d come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Googled &#8220;PHP training Salt Lake City&#8221; and ended up at this post. Per your suggestions, I looked into MindCenter and New Horizons, but there&#8217;s nothing scheduled in the immediate future. I even tried to check out a class at SLCC that seemed perfect (&#8220;Students learn to create E-Commerce solutions and Internet applications using XHTML, JavaScript, PHP, and MYSQL. Students will also be introduced to CGI and Java Applets.&#8221;) but it was cancelled due to lack of students. </p>
<p>My situation may be similar to vuel&#8217;s. I&#8217;m proficient in HTML, can stumble around CSS, but feel lost when it comes to PHP. I&#8217;m a web designer and everytime I turn around these days I&#8217;m running to PHP . I really want to learn this stuff. </p>
<p>I found an online tutorial site: <a href="http://apex.vtc.com/php.php" rel="nofollow">http://apex.vtc.com/php.php</a> For $30 a month you can go through as many tutorials as you can handle. Compared to these 2K training courses I was reading about, this seems too good to be true. But, they also sell CD versions of all their &#8220;classes&#8221; so maybe that&#8217;s where they make their money.</p>
<p>So, my question is: What do you think of the idea of online training to learn PHP? Is it a matter of discipline, which makes sitting through a 5-day course more practical in the long run? </p>
<p>I like this place. You should all go to lunch again. I&#8217;d come.</p>
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		<title>By: MindCenter</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20327</link>
		<dc:creator>MindCenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MindCenter is offering Intro to Programming (2667) on January 9. The information is listed below:
Date: This class is scheduled to run January 9, 2008* 
Place: The MindCenter 
5505 S 900 E Plaza 1, Ste 225 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 
Course Length: 3 Days 
FULL COURSE OUTLINE AVAILABLE AT http://www.mindcenter.net/uploads/2667.pdf 
For more information or to REGISTER: 801-269-1300 or online http://www.mindcenter.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MindCenter is offering Intro to Programming (2667) on January 9. The information is listed below:<br />
Date: This class is scheduled to run January 9, 2008*<br />
Place: The MindCenter<br />
5505 S 900 E Plaza 1, Ste 225<br />
Salt Lake City, Utah 84117<br />
Course Length: 3 Days<br />
FULL COURSE OUTLINE AVAILABLE AT <a href="http://www.mindcenter.net/uploads/2667.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindcenter.net/uploads/2667.pdf</a><br />
For more information or to REGISTER: 801-269-1300 or online <a href="http://www.mindcenter.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindcenter.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: wade</title>
		<link>http://uphpu.org/2007/12/06/looking-for-good-intro-programming-training-and-theory/comment-page-1/#comment-20322</link>
		<dc:creator>wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only non-academic one that I am aware of locally is the one offered by &lt;a href=&quot;http://uphpu.org/2007/09/12/new-horizons-announces-mysqlphp-fundamentals-class/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Horizons&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only non-academic one that I am aware of locally is the one offered by <a href="http://uphpu.org/2007/09/12/new-horizons-announces-mysqlphp-fundamentals-class/" rel="nofollow">New Horizons</a>.</p>
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